Minds, Meaning and Morals

January 23, 2007

The Trilemma

Filed under: culture, religion — Jeff G @ 11:26 pm

I’m a big fan of the blog Dangerous Idea.  Whether it is in spite of or because of my disagreement with Vic on almost every issue he posts about, I just love to read whatever it is that he has to say.  Recently, he posted on C. S. Lewis’ trilemma argument for the divinity of Christ and Richard Dawkins’ rebuttal to it.  (Interestingly enough, my Dad sent me a copy of the argument quite independently about a week later.)  While I think Vic brought up some good points regarding Dawkins’ arm chair speculations on the matter, I simply must put forth my own reasons for thinking the trilemma argument to be largely, if not entirely bogus.

Here is the relevant passage from Lewis’ Mere Christianity:

“A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic–on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg–or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse… But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

Let us first grant that the argument has significant intuitive appeal.  If any person today were to call himself the Son of God, he would indeed be labeled a lunatic or a liar.  Furthermore, I would certainly be disinclined to call such a man a great moral teacher, much less the actual Son of God.  By the same reasoning it would seem that the infidel is thereby committed to seeing Jesus as nothing less than a lunatic, liar or both.  Since most people are not willing to call Jesus a liar or lunatic, the Christian argues, we are therefore compelled to accept Jesus at his word; he was/is actually the Son of God.

The same reasoning, however, can be applied to a number of other people and the claims which they have made.  All who reject the prophetic claims of Muhammad must also be committing to judging him a lunatic or a liar.  The same can be said for all non-Mormons about Joseph Smith (the church’s founder) or Gordon B. Hinckley (the church current prophet).  Either Hinckley is a liar, a lunatic or a prophet of God.  (In fact, some Mormons actually do use this argument, but usually as it applies to Smith.) 

Consider further the (in)famous case of Apollonius of Tyana.  He was alleged to have been miraculously born, to perform miracles including healing the sick and raising the dead, to deliver divine teachings, to claim the power to foresee the future and at the end of his life to have ascended into heaven to live with the gods forever.  Are we committed to calling this man a liar, lunatic or prophet?  By what criterion to we condemn Apollonius but not Jesus?  It would seem that we have no more and no less reason to attribute malevolence or insanity to this man than we do Jesus.  The point is that something must be wrong with the trilemma argument for there are simply too many counterexamples.

What exactly is wrong with the argument, however, is not so easy to put one’s finger on.  I see at least three possibilities which are open to the infidel:

1.      Jesus was a great moral teacher, was not a liar and was a bit insane.

2.      Jesus was a great moral teacher, was not insane and was a liar.

3.      Jesus was a great moral teacher, was not a liar, was not a lunatic and was simply wrong.

Of course C. S. Lewis would almost certainly be uncomfortable with each of these positions, but it must be admitted that they are all at least possible.  Being a scoundrel or a little crazy does not necessarily preclude one’s being a great teacher of anything, morality included.  In this post, however, I will not consider (2) so as to better engage the Christian claim.  I will simply note that no matter how much the Christian does not like (2), it is nevertheless a possibility.

What I wish to focus on instead is the difference between being wrong and being insane.   By what criteria do we draw a distinction between the two?  Let us consider some examples of the claim “I am X”:

·         I am the Son of God.

·         I am King.

·         I am able to foresee the future.

·         I am a garbage man.

·         I am a liar.  (Gotta love the paradox.)

·         I am the smartest person I know.

·         (Shouting) I am not angry!

·         I am a humble person.

·         I am a good singer.

Let us suppose (hypothetically speaking of course! ;-P) that in reality I am none of the X’s which I have just claimed to be.  Furthermore, let us assume that I sincerely believe each of the above claims to be true.  It seems obvious that in many cases my being wrong does not entail my insanity or my malevolence.  In other cases (the first three for example) such an entailment does seem to follow.  But what is the difference between the two types?

One possible response is that we judge some claims to be crazy due to their being so much less probable than those claims which are merely wrong.  While this response seems to be pointed in the right direction, I suggest that it is not good enough.  First of all, the Christian’s appeal to probability seems more than a little self-defeating.  Second, and more importantly, such a response does not do justice to the question at hand.  We do not call people crazy simply because their claims are/seem vastly improbable.  If a man were to claim that it will rain in Sacramento, California on August 12, 2007 (an incredibly improbable claim) I would not judge him to be insane.  Joe Namath’s prediction that the Jets would win the Super Bowl did not make him crazy either.  There must be more to the story.

Another possible response is that we judge the crazy claims to be so due to their being more self-serving than the wrong claims.  This, however, suffers from a number of counterexamples as well.  For instance, the claim that I am the smartest person I know seems just as self-serving as is the claim that I am King, and yet the former does not seem near as crazy as does the latter.  Furthermore, my claiming myself to be the devil incarnate would be seen as being just as self-serving as it would sane.  In fact, it could be argued that Jesus’ claim was anything but self-serving, thereby undermining the trilemma argument.  There must be more to the distinction between being wrong and being insane.

The difference, I suggest, lies in the reasons which we have for a given belief.  I may believe that I can foresee the future based on a number of occasions when I have foreseen the future to some extent.  I may also think that I am a good singer because my voice sounds fine to me and nobody has ever told me any different.  Accordingly, Joseph Smith and Muhammad may have thought themselves to be prophets due to some very emotional experiences and Jesus may have thought himself to be the Son of God due to what he was told in a dream/vision.  What makes some claims/beliefs crazy is not just what the claims are but our reasons for them.

All beliefs (at least those in question) are presumably held for one reason or another.  Indeed, if there was no particular reason for a belief it is then that we would judge it to be insane.  What I wish to argue is that this apparent exception is actually the rule.  There are three necessary and jointly sufficient conditions for insanity:

                                     I.      The belief must be inappropriate in that it is not what a normal person believes due to its being improbable, unhealthy, immoral, etc.

                                  II.      The belief must be held with a significant degree of conviction in that the purported belief is not merely a hunch, a façade or a lie.

                               III.      The belief must not be appropriately supported by any or enough reasons.

Lewis’ argument can be reformulated as follows:  Jesus claimed himself to be the Son of God, which meet condition (I).  We can either claim him to be lying, in which case he could not be a great moral teacher, or we can believe that he sincerely believed himself to be the Son of God, which would meet condition (II).  If we accept that he was not a liar, then his belief was either appropriately supported, in which case he would really be the Son of God, or his belief was not appropriately supported, which would thus meet condition (III) making him insane.  Thus, given that Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, we are forced to choose between him being a liar, a lunatic or Lord.

Notice, however, the large role which ‘appropriate’ plays in the definition of insanity.  This is because insanity is not an objective feature which we read off of people or beliefs.  Rather, it is a quality which we impose upon people, beliefs or reasons for their not being “normal” in some relevant way.  The fact is that every individual deviates from the norm in some way and to some degree; the line which separates normal from insane is not only largely arbitrary but is also in constant flux across different cultures and different times.  This arbitrariness and fluctuation in what is appropriate is exactly what Lewis’ trilemma argument is missing.  Specifically, it is entirely possible that what we judge to be inappropriate may be radically different from what some other culture judges to be inappropriate. 

Jesus’ belief and/or his reasons may have been completely appropriate within his cultural context.  After all, it was not terribly unusual for mortal individuals to be called gods of some form or another.  In fact, it is not at all clear what exactly the historical Jesus meant in claiming himself to be the Son of God, if he made such a claim at all.  Furthermore, dreams, visions, divinations and the like were also judged to be legitimate or at least appropriate sources of knowledge.  Neither of these things can be said for the individual who makes similar claims for similar reasons within our own cultural context.

The problem with Lewis’ argument is that one man, Jesus, and his beliefs are being held to norms which never applied to him while he was alive.  It is because the argument appeals to our own particular sense of appropriateness that the trilemma argument has such a strong intuitive appeal to it.  Nevertheless, the infidel is not at all committed to seeing Jesus as a liar or a lunatic since the latter’s claims may have been far less inappropriate in his own cultural context than we judge such claims to be in our contemporary context.

20 Comments »

  1. I agree. A whiggish proposal through and through. Interesting coming from C.S. Lewis since I think he tried to resist these kinds of pitfalls, but when apologetics calls, all else goes out the window I guess.

    Something else I think should be on the table here though is that I think we should be skeptical of what Jesus did and didn’t claim. Remember, a lot of ‘infidels’ don’t even believe he existed. while I think he existed, from my brief introduction to Bible studies (thanks to H.B. Lee library) it seemed like there was a strong belief among many scholars – and I’m not just talking ultra liberal Jesus Seminar folks, some of these books I read had testimonies of Christ in the introduction – that Jesus as the son of God was an idea that evolved in culture and the original kyrygma contained almost none of the theology that any Christian today believes in.

    Comment by A.G. — January 24, 2007 @ 12:52 pm

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    Hello,

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    I was wondering, would you be interested in a exchanging links, where I add your link to the wiki, and you add sophiasdialectic.com to your site?

    Let me know if your interested.

    Thanks,
    cool blog

    Comment by Ben — January 24, 2007 @ 5:02 pm

  3. I like what you had to say. It was very thought provoking.

    I don’t think Lewis meant for his argument to be absolutely convincing. Your alternative conclusions are quite obvious. Of course Jesus could have been “a great moral teacher, was not a liar and was a bit insane” or any of the other things you mentioned. The argument Lewis made, as far as I understand it, was generally true. There is a logic to it. However, as we know, there are exceptions to most things. I also don’t think Lewis would think that pure rationality or pure logic leads you to Jesus (or any other faith), so, from that perspective, the fact that his argument is not air tight does not matter. Faith is not completely rational.

    Anyway, I can’t speak for Lewis but that’s what I get from his writings.

    I enjoy your blog very much!

    Comment by amandalaine — January 24, 2007 @ 7:56 pm

  4. A.G.,

    I agree that the historical record concerning Jesus is sparse and unreliable. However, I sidestepped this issue for a number of reasons. First, I wanted to better engage the Christian by arguing from his own premises. If I had just said that Jesus never existed or something like that, my argument would have been too easy to ignore. Second, Dawkins made various claims concerning the historical record and Vic rightly took him to task for doing so. Its just too easy for the infidel to claim that there is no evidence for that while not actually engaging the issue at all. Most importantly, I am not that well acquainted with the historicity of Jesus.

    amandalaine,

    Thanks for visiting. I don’t think that Lewis thought the argument was fool-proof either. What I was trying to show with my numerous counterexamples is that the argument doesn’t work very well at all. It is not simply that the argument is not air-tight, but rather that it doesn’t seem to hold water at all. It was for this reason that in addition to providing counterexamples, I explicitly attacked his logic.

    Comment by Jeff G — January 24, 2007 @ 9:16 pm

  5. I always thought the more interesting response were those who were insane but this was seen as a touch of the divine. That actually was fairly common in many cultures including the greeks. So our prejudice against insanity simply isn’t shared by all cultures and thus invalidates Lewis in a nice sweep.

    Don’t get me wrong, if someone is crazy or so forth I think that counts against their testimony epistemologically. But I’m not sure being a moral teacher entails that the moral teachings be justified by testimony witness. They could be justified pragmatically rather than through some other means. Something I take Lewis to be dismissing in some way.

    Comment by Clark — January 24, 2007 @ 10:56 pm

  6. Excuse me, but I think that all of you have misread the passage. Lewis is saying that the moral teachings of Jesus preclude him from speaking as a man and moralist. That is, what he said, to be taken seriously, morally, could only be taken as such if we grant that the speaker is something more than a mere man. If he is not taken for other than a mere man, then he must be taken for a lunatic, liar, etc. (Lewis, in part, wishes to distinguish Jesus from Sophists and Socrates.)

    Comment by SamW — January 25, 2007 @ 1:27 am

  7. I don’t see how your argument is different or stronger than the one I argue against. Why does somebodies moral teachings preclude them from being a moralist? Isn’t that the definition of moralist? What Lewis’ argument seems to turn on is our inability to grant that a great moralist might himself be immoral or perhaps a little insane. If this is wrong, then perhaps you could lay out his argument in a bit more detail.

    Comment by Jeff G — January 25, 2007 @ 8:55 am

  8. I’ve read over your post more carefully. It is very interesting!

    Where do you get your information on Jesus? Presumably the four accounts in the Bible?

    “Jesus’ belief and/or his reasons may have been completely appropriate within his cultural context.” The Jews had a very particular conception of God – He’s omnipotent, all knowing, and something so “terrible” that they wouldn’t say his name. This culture would not have been comfortable with anyone at all claiming to be God.

    “After all, it was not terribly unusual for mortal individuals to be called gods of some form or another.” Do you have examples of mortal individuals being called God? There is a large difference between the severe and terrifying Jewish conception of God (stated above) and gods. The Romans of course were different. Their Ceasers were divine but this was a different conception of “God”, much smaller, more human, less terrifying. Jesus was talking to Jews, not Romans.

    “In fact, it is not at all clear what exactly the historical Jesus meant in claiming himself to be the Son of God, if he made such a claim at all.” Again, have you read the four accounts? We should keep in mind who Jesus was talking to (the cultural context) and what his education was. He knew what it meant to claim to be God in Jewish circles. In fact, this was the reason for his death – His claim to be the Jewish God (Creator of the universe, all-mighty).

    I wasn’t sure of Jesus’ claims myself and have gone through all four accounts several times. His claims to be God Himself (the extreme Jewish version) are many and clear. (Some clearer than others.) I could provide references, but anyone can look up this stuff themselves. Also, cultural studies show what the term “Son of God” means – it is specific. It means “the same type as.” As there is only one God (in the Jewish world) this would mean Jesus is God Himself. It is a truly ridiculous claim.

    Your argument centers on cultural differences… but these differences seem to favor Lewis’ argument.

    Comment by amandalaine — January 25, 2007 @ 8:40 pm

  9. Actually I made quite the effort to not talk about Jesus at all. I guess I do talk about his reason for believing himself to be the Son of God, but that was all hypothetical talk. (The gospel don’t really say why Jesus believed what he did.) His reasons probably had a lot to do with his miracles, but miracle working was not terribly uncommon in that context either.

    You take the gospel accounts as being historical accounts when it is clear that they were never meant to be. They are religious tracts with a particular agenda in mind. Warts and all, objective history is NOT what the gospels are about by any stretch of the imagination. Thus, it is important that one does not take what the authors claimed about Jesus to necessarily be what Jesus claimed about himself. I’m sure that he claimed to be the messiah. But the messiah is never said to be God in the OT. If anything, the messiah was simply supposed to be a man who would liberate the Jews and be King.

    It is in this context that his supposed claim to be God or the Son of God should be read, for lots of kings and rulers were deified to one degree or another. In fact, Apollonius of Tyana was claimed by HIS followers to be divine although he never claimed such a thing for himself. It should also be noted that most Jews believed to gods to exist even though they were not “true” gods in that they were not as powerful as the true god and therefore did not deserve worship.

    Maybe Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, although this is questionable. But then he called everybody sons and daughters of god didn’t he? “Son of God” is an ambiguous phrase which lends itself to exaggeration in the hands of those who want it to mean as much as possible. It is probably for this reason that Jesus’ being called God, rather than the messiah, christ or Son of God, is to be found in the latest and least historically accurate gospel (John).

    Anyways, my point is this insanity rests on appropriateness and appropriateness comes in degrees. Jesus’ beliefs about himself were almost surely not a strong as we tend to think of them. Furthermore, such claims were not judged to be AS inappropriate as we judge them to be. Finally, the reasons for Jesus’ beliefs/claims were not as inappropriate then as they are now. Thus, even if Jesus’ claim would have been seen as insane, it most certainly would not have been so to the same degree as such a claim would be now. Not even close.

    Comment by Jeff G — January 25, 2007 @ 10:57 pm

  10. Even if Lewis were right, today this kind of challenge would only seriously come from either fanatics or bigots. Upon having the issue forced, those who aren’t already converted 99.99% of the time are going to say, “Ok, you got me! He was a fraud! there, is that what you wanted to hear?” My dad tried a similar line on me a few years ago with the book of mormon. I can’t remember who it was, Pratt maybe, who made a big speech about how the BOM was either true or it was the worlds greatest fraud composed by the devil. So I told him it must be composed by the devil then and he got very upset. It isn’t just a matter of correct exposition that draws us to seeing intermediate positions from religious figures, but a desire to get along and find a way to respect differences.

    Comment by A.G. — January 26, 2007 @ 11:04 am

  11. That’s a great point. The argument seems to be taking advantage of what is usually an effective strategy in argumentation, namely charitable interpretation. We don’t call Jesus flat out crazy or malicious so as to better engage the argument at hand and the argument is simply taking advantage of this fact for its own purpose.

    Comment by Jeff G — January 26, 2007 @ 3:39 pm

  12. The Trilemma argument is an argument for Jesus’ divinity. So, why would you say that “I made quite the effort to not talk about Jesus at all”? I’m not understanding…

    I am going to assume you get your information on Jesus from the accounts in the Bible. These are historically inaccurate, you say. I can’t help but ask – how do you know they are historically inaccurate? But, my main point is this. If they are historicaly inaccurate, 1) we have no reason for believing Jesus ever “called everybody sons and daughters of god”, and 2) we have no reason for believing Jesus actually existed. Let’s say some guy did exist who caused a lot of trouble and the Romans finally had to kill him. Why should we believe any of the claims that were put in his mouth by the gospel account writers? Those are inaccurate documents!

    The bottom line is that we have no idea what we’re talking about. We’re dealing with a myth. If the gospel accounts are inaccurate, as you say, then we have no idea how inaccurate or which parts are inaccurate so the whole thing needs to be thrown out. We have no grounds on which to work.

    If however, you view them as historical accounts, as Lewis did and all the other gullible Christians, then you can develop a Trilemma argument (which obviously is not air tight, but it wasn’t meant to be). But until that point, this is complete nonsense we’re talking about!

    Have you read the four accounts? They think they are historical documents. The four writers were obviously highly delusional.

    I like your blog a lot! I hope I don’t come across combative… Please disagree with me more!

    Comment by amandalaine — January 26, 2007 @ 4:48 pm

  13. Don’t worry, even if you did come across as combative, I would not mind at all. That is what is great about blogs, that you can think about what you want to say and say it as strongly as you like without things getting terribly out of control.

    Saying that I wasn’t talking about Jesus at all would indeed be a little misleading, but not totally. I just accepted that Jesus wasn’t insane or bad and that he did claim to be the Son of God in some form or another. I took those things from granted and then attempted to address the argument on its own ground, more or less. Thus, I was talking far more about the argument for Jesus’ divinity than I was about Jesus per se.

    As to the historical accuracy of the gospels, I do not want to throw them out completely. When read critically, they do have quite a bit or historically reliable material. However, this same critical reading also demonstrates that the accounts are far from perfect. Historical reliability is hardly an all or nothing affair as you seem to think. There are numerous criteria which historians can apply to a text.

    I see Mark as being the best (along with Paul’s early epistles) then Matthew and Luke, and the historically least accurate is certainly John. Of course, this is what we would expect given that this is the chronological order in which they were written, John being written about three generations after the fact. Thus, I believe that Jesus certainly existed, although he really didn’t make much of a splash in his time at all. I also believe that he probably claimed himself to be the messiah and probably the Son of God as well. Beyond this, I am very doubtful as to what he claimed for himself, especially all the John claims about Jesus being God.

    For the record, I do not think Christians are gullible. I think most of them simply aren’t that well informed (as most of us tend to be on most issues) or that critical in reading (as so few of us tend to be with most texts). The gospels are not attempt to provide historical truth so much as religious truth. Nor do I think that the authors were delusional in any way. Rather they were simply writing what they thought would persuade their intended audience to believe what they wanted them to believe. But none of them were written by eye-witnesses and all were written well after the fact. They were based on the oral stories which had been circulating around about Jesus and his life for a few decades after his death. In fact, they all usually begin their accounts with what they are trying to prove:

    Mark: Jesus is the suffering Son of God
    Matthew: Jesus is the fulfillment of Jewish Scripture
    Luke: Jesus if the savior of the entire world rather than just the Jews
    John: Jesus is God among men

    The fact that they completely ignore Jesus’ life before he was 30 goes a long ways to showing that they are not really interested in objective history in itself.

    Comment by Jeff G — January 26, 2007 @ 11:22 pm

  14. Thanks for your answer!

    Your conclusion seems to rest on the analysis/conclusions of historians. Are they all in complete agreement with each other? This seems to be a picking and choosing thing – this is accurate, this is inaccurate. Of course, as you aptly point out, we’re all poorly informed to some degree and I personally am not that familiar with the methods, criteria, and conclusions of these various historians.

    You seem to believe that historical truth and religious truth are mutually exclusive. Is that fair?

    Anyway, thanks for your great post! It was very thought provoking. I am now very interested in finding out what sort of methods and agreement (or lack thereof) is used by historians. And then the question is – do I believe the historians?

    Comment by amandalaine — January 27, 2007 @ 6:33 am

  15. Of course there is not total consensus, but the sources which I have appealed to, namely Bart Ehrman and John Meier, are pretty conservative. The Jesus Seminar, on the other hand, they are far more liberal in their rejection of the NT as historically accurate. Thus, some things are pretty much accepted by all scholars while other are disputed to various degrees.

    I do not suggest that historical truth and religious truth are incompatible at all, nor do I see where I made anything like this claim. I do claim, however, that inasmuch as there is a conflict, religious claims (I don’t like the word “truth” too loaded) should bend before well established historical claims.

    Comment by Jeff G — January 27, 2007 @ 11:13 am

  16. Hi Jeff,

    Thanks for your response and putting up with my many questions/challenges. I have not read Ehrman’s book or the following response, but I thought might be interested in this:

    http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=4000

    It is a response to Ehrman’s book. Again, I haven’t read it and am generally unfamiliar with textual criticism. But, I thought you would enjoy/appreciate an opposing view.

    Comment by amandalaine — February 2, 2007 @ 10:30 am

  17. For my money the best reply to that has always been, “Maybe that wasn’t exactly what Jesus said”. Seems to me that there are four accounts of the fella’s life in the Bible and they don’t all match up – differing account’s of lineage, etc. Why should we take them as gospel (sorry…) where his exact speech is concerned, especially considering the timelag between the events and their documentation?

    Other than that I tend to go for the whole ’simply mistaken’ alternative. Lewis’s original trio of answers has always been far too simplistic for my taste.

    Comment by lazarou — February 5, 2007 @ 7:55 am

  18. What an interesting discussion! Thanks for acknowledging that many Christians have half a brain, at least, and that our thoughts are worth hearing. Thanks to “Carnival of the Godless” for linking me here. I am currently engaged in another such discussion on Blane Conklin’s (who himself comes from a fundamentalist upbringing, is now an atheist, and holds a doctorate in ancient near east languages- credentials are everything) blog, “Do Not Read This Blog”. My comments, for what they are worth (I’ll give my credentials at the end):

    “Since most people are not willing to call Jesus a liar or lunatic, the Christian argues, we are therefore compelled to accept Jesus at his word; he was/is actually the Son of God.”
    I don’t think Lewis “compels” us to believe anything. In fact, he clearly says “You must make your choice.” Lewis bows to our free will, given(?) to us by God in the New Testament. To believe or not to believe, free will being what it is. Despite the biological creatures that we are, we do have will, that element of humanity that separates us from animals. (It’s certainly not language, that much has been proven.) Yes, one could argue for the fact that free will is merely a byproduct of our big brains, but that doesn’t disprove it’s existence. (The concept was particularly well-illustrated in “Dune”; the book, not the movie. Not to mention the story of Jesus as presented in the Bible. Hope I haven’t wrecked my credibility with the Dune allusion.)
    I AM currently reading a book by Robin Griffith-Jones entitled “The Four Witnesses: The rebel, the rabbi, the chronicler, and the mystic”. Griffith-Jones is an Oxford educated Anglican minister, with a substantial background in literature. The book was written in John Wesley’s chambers at Oxford. Griffith-Jones, like Lewis, once left Christianity for atheism. In his book, he directly, refreshingly, addresses the historical inaccuracies and conflicting portraits of Jesus presented in the Gospels. He uses close analysis of the texts themselves and the literary devices used by the writers, along with historical context to attempt (this too he freely admits) to construct portraits of the writers, and thus illuminate the Jesus they present. Even Mark uses the literary form in his hastily written and incomplete account of Jesus’ life and death. When confronted with “facts” of which there is no consensus among historians and scholars, Griffith-Jones admits the uncertainty and tells the reader that he is choosing one of many views to advance his premise. Griffith-Jones himself explains his aims and methods best in the preface:
    “But my students’ [at Oxford] eyes were not on the stories themselves. They were looking for ‘the historical Jesus.’ They would boil down the gospels’ different stories into one: to dish up a single, digestible Jesus–and so would lose the flavor of these four wonderful courses. The gospels offer us a far more inviting, exciting, and nourishing meal than any such reduction can encourage us to look for. In the Four Witnesses that whole meal is here to be enjoyed. [He has quite the penchant for the extended metaphor, which I found charming, but may annoy some readers.]
    The gospels claim to relay truths to which no words are really adequate. This book’s readers will see how elsuive the gospels’ Jesus can be. … The gospels resort to poetry; over and again we will watch our writers circle some deep dark insight, looking for words and ways to do it justice. Most of us now take more readily to music.” In Chapter 1, he says, “Jesus Himself asked, “Who do you say I am?” If his question has ever intrigued you–if it has ever just caught your imagination–then this book has been written for you.” Of course, I believe He meant that He is all things to all people. But that’s just me. Whoever you believe Jesus is/was and your opinion of the true source of the teachings and quotes attributed to him, and whatever your opinion of the resulting religious dogma and institution of the church, hopefully you will acknowledge the truth, beauty and universality of what he “supposedly” (wink, wink) said and of the body of literature that comprises the bible (ok, not ALL of the bible, that Old Testament inquisitorialism (?), and the people that take it as gospel (ha), really gall me. That’s why they call it the NEW Testament. Though I don’t suppose any of said people are reading this). Does anyone value the works of Shakespeare less because of the controversy surrounding their authorship? Am I blasphemous for comparing Shakespeare’s works to the Bible on an atheist website? If so, blasphemous, to which: Christians, atheists, or Shakespearean scholars? (this said tongue in cheek, of course).

    “The fact that they completely ignore Jesus’ life before he was 30 goes a long ways to showing that they are not really interested in objective history in itself.”

    Anyone read Christopher Moore’s “Lamb: The Gospel According to Christ’s Best Friend, Bif”? Moore humorously chronicles what could have been Jesus’ life in its entirety, from the point of view of Bif. He posits that during Jesus’ “lost years”, he went East, ostensibly in search of the three Kings. Hilarity ensues, along with some interesting ideas in comparative religion.

    I have very little secondary education (though I did attend Vanderbilt University for a year as a freshmen, before flunking out spectaculary, mostly due to my aversion to actually attending most of my classes. In my favor, however, the two courses I did quite well in were literary criticism and Latin): I was a neuroscience RN in a hospital for four years before quitting to become a stay-at-home mother of three children. Intellectual stimulation is hard to come by in such an environment, though my 9 year old is starting to become quite enjoyable. (Hope I am not committing committing a blog faux pas by revealing too much personal information. I myself am always interested in where these comments come from.)

    Comment by readerjen — February 6, 2007 @ 10:55 pm

  19. I hope it is obvious that the above comments were not proselytizing, but an attempt to contribute to the fascinating discussion in progress, regarding C.S. Lewis’ arguments and the historicity of Jesus. And maybe a play at Devil’s advocate–apologies for the religous language, difficult to avoid in such a conversation

    Comment by readerjen — February 6, 2007 @ 11:03 pm

  20. I found this page two and a half months late and commented here: Thanks for the plug!

    http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2007/04/jeff-g-on-trilemma.html

    Comment by Victor Reppert — April 9, 2007 @ 2:43 pm


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