Minds, Meaning and Morals

March 11, 2007

Eliminating P-Consciousness

Filed under: mind — Jeff G @ 11:46 am

My Philosophy of Mind professor is apparently in the midst of an eliminativist crisis in terms of phenomenal consciousness.  His argument is basically as follows:  1) There would be absolutely no difference between those individuals which actually have phenomenal consciousness and those individuals who labor under the false belief that they have phenomenal consciousness.  2) Phenomenal consciousness is far more metaphysically strange than is a false-phenomenal-consciousness-belief making mechanism in the brain.  3) Thus, the eliminative position is preferable to the alternative.

 

In order to make clear what he does and does not have in mind, consider how the eliminativist handles the case of Mary the color scientist.  When Mary is released from her colorless lab, she certainly does learn lots of new things, all of them false.  She didn’t learn about phenomenal consciousness in the lab because she only learned true things about conscious experience.  While I do not think that this really handles all the questions at hand, it must be admitted that this is a rather snappy reply.

 

Of course the most repulsive aspect of this position is idea of a biologically innate “false-belief maker” which is responsible for the fact that essentially all people labor under the delusion that they are NOT zombies.  I think we can do better than mere repulsion on this point, however; I think we can turn this into an actual objection.  If anything is supposed to characterize our phenomenal experience it is its rich, fine-grained nature.  The objection which I have to the eliminativist position described above is this: it seems extraordinarily unlikely that our false beliefs could possibly be fine-grained enough to account for all of our purported phenomenal experience.

 

The natural reply which I’m sure my professor would provide to this would be that he does not deny the fine-grained nature of access consciousness and it is access, rather than phenomenal consciousness which accounts for the fine grained nature of consciousness in general.  The problem with this response is that it is no longer clear what exactly it is that we are eliminating. 

 

After all, it is my position that there is nothing more to phenomenal consciousness than fine grained access consciousness.  In other words, it somebody is able to discern by way of access consciousness the all the features which constitute the experience of being burned by a stove, there is nothing leftover which is in need of explaining.  Put yet another way, phenomenal consciousness simply is fine-grain, largely automatic access consciousness and nothing more.

 

Given my professor’s hypothetical counter-reply, it is no longer clear wherein our positions differ all that much from each other aside from his positing a false-belief maker.  Notice, it is his denial of any kind of phenomenal consciousness which requires a false-belief maker.  On the other hand, it is my granting phenomenal consciousness by another name that makes such an innate false-belief maker superfluous.  Indeed, the real false-belief maker in this situation is not the biologically innate neural structure in humans, but rather the practice of philosophy.  It is only by utterly isolating phenomenal consciousness from access consciousness that we have any problem here at all.

6 Comments »

  1. So, your posts are really interesting. Generally, you are way beyond me and I don’t really know what you’re talking about all the time (due to my lack of education, not your lack of good writing). With that in mind, I had one thought. You said, “Indeed, the real false-belief maker in this situation is not the biologically innate neural structure in humans, but rather the practice of philosophy.” Wouldn’t the “practice of philosophy” be the result of the “biologically innate neural structures” of humans in action? Which would then mean they are one in the same?

    I am very curious about your false-belief maker concept. I have wondered about that for a while, since, I as a Christian am obviously very wrong if naturalists, etc are right. If they are right, what natural phenomena caused me to believe such crazy things? Very very interesting…

    Comment by amandalaine — March 11, 2007 @ 1:43 pm

  2. How ironic that you praise my clarity in one sentence only to point out a perfect case of unclarity in my writing. ;-)

    I didn’t mean to imply that all of philosophy is a false-belief maker in any way. Rather, I meant that those philosophers who have drawn a distinction between P-consciousness and A-consciousness are the false-belief makers. To claim that this false-belief is the product of biological innateness would be to endorse a form of innatism which is WAY too strong.

    As for the biologically innate false-belief maker, what my prof. says is that the idea of P-consciousness evolved in order to facilitate the emergence of ethical behavior. This is just way too much for me to buy for a number of reasons:

    1. It is a blatant just so story.
    2. It is a just so story made to account for a trait which we aren’t even sure that we have.
    3. It is not at all clear that the trait would be at all helpful in the emergence of ethical behavior.

    I imagine that the same criticisms could be brought, to one degree or another, against the idea of a god-gene as well.

    Comment by Jeff G — March 11, 2007 @ 2:01 pm

  3. Fine points all, but also “metaphysically strange” is a real question-begger, no?

    Comment by Peli Grietzer — March 11, 2007 @ 2:59 pm

  4. Yeah “metaphysically strange” seems like one of those annoying appeals to intuition couched in pejorative language.

    I also think (1) in his argument is pretty problematic. “No difference” in what sense?

    Comment by Clark — March 13, 2007 @ 12:00 pm

  5. I don’t think that either of his premises are all that problematic. As for (1), there is no discernible difference at all. Nobody from the 1st or 3rd person perspective could ever tell the difference between the two positions.

    I also fail to see how p-consciousness is NOT metaphysically strange given naturalism. Perhaps I wasn’t terribly clear, but he sees himself as arguing within a purely naturalistic metaphysics and to suggest that there is this special stuff called p-consciousness which matter in motion somehow creates seems utterly mysterious to me. In fact, isn’t the metaphysically mysterious nature of it the whole reason why there is a problem of consciousness at all?

    Comment by Jeff G — March 13, 2007 @ 12:38 pm

  6. Is it possible to have the “false belief that they have phenomenal consciousness”?

    If only things with phenomenal consciousness can have beliefs, then the answer would have to be No.
    I’m inclined to think that zombies don’t have ‘beliefs’ as such, but I could be wrong ;)

    So how does something with no phenomenal consciousness have beliefs?

    Comment by Sam D — June 14, 2007 @ 10:20 pm


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